Curse

Jumping Is Uselss · Jul 22, 2008, 12:54 AM // 00:54

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Originally Posted by some guy

http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/4/4e/Revanludotomb.jpg

A challenger appears

Not bad with a blaster. Used as an assassin. Can communicate in various outer rim languages. Good in hacking and loves to call all humans "meat bag".

Bryant Again · Jul 22, 2008, 01:03 AM // 01:03

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

If you consider Final Fantasy an RPG, then Halo can easily be considered one too.

Um, first: where did I say I called FF an RPG series, and where was it stated in the OP?

Taurucis · Jul 22, 2008, 01:31 AM // 01:31

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Um, first: where did I say I called FF an RPG series, and where was it stated in the OP?

Maybe "you" was the wrong word to use, but a few people put in Final Fantasy characters, so I was compelled to point out that Final Fantasy is an interactive story and not an RPG.

But if Final Fantasy characters can be included in "Best RPG characters" then I suppose Halo characters can be included as well.

I pwnd U · Jul 22, 2008, 01:47 AM // 01:47

el oh el Halo is about as FPS as it gets. There should be no debate if that can be classified as an RPG or not. FF is debatable now it started out as an RPG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy) apparently. It has branched though. So it is debatable but it orginally was an RPG.

(RPG is defined as is a game in which the participants assume the roles of fictional characters and collaboratively create or follow stories.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing_game

I hate using Wikipedia as I know it is user edited but I am lazy atm and don't feel like doing the real research.

FF can be described as an RPG because you are following a story line as a fantasy character therefore it fits into the RPG category usually.

Crom The Pale · Jul 22, 2008, 02:01 AM // 02:01

To be perfectly honest I was shooting for more Sword and Sorcery....

Cloud from FF7 is a tough char, however he is far to limited when compared to Alucard. Omnislash is useless vs Poison Mist Form not to mention his teleportation assults.

Neo Nugget · Jul 22, 2008, 02:05 AM // 02:05

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Originally Posted by Nevin

It brings a tear to my eye that you have to ask that. He is the villain of Mass Effect, Saren.

Aw, now i know the next 360 game i need to get

Bryant Again · Jul 22, 2008, 02:15 AM // 02:15

You don't own ME??? Holy cow run out nao

DarkNecrid · Jul 22, 2008, 03:22 AM // 03:22

(Spoilers follow)

The Nameless One

A man who has lived an eternity, given the ultimate gift (curse?)...that of immortality. He knows not his name, he knows not his birth, he knows not who he is, but he knows what he seeks: to be normal again.

His birth? Unknown. His early history? Lost to the sands of time. How many lives has he lived? How many times has he died? No one knows. But given the nature of his contacts, the numbers for both amount to the thousands. Indeed, The Nameless One has been everything from a basic thief, to a grand wizard, to the strongest warrior. Some point before he was given immortality, The Nameless One committed a horrible crime. A terrible crime. The crime itself, is indeed also lost to the sands of time, but it was a crime so malevolent that it was said that even if The Nameless One dedicated his entire life to good, he would still spend an eternity in the hells. In an act of desperation, The Nameless One seeked out Ravel, a night hag. He made her a challenge: "Make me immortal, so that I can dedicate an eternity to attoning for my sins." His gift? A riddle: "What can change the nature of a man?" he quizzed her. Having been the sole man to best Ravel at her own game, she began her foul ritual, and the deed was done. But unknown to The Nameless One was how she did it: rather than give him eternal life, she stripped his mortality from him. To make sure it worked, she killed him. He returned alive, of course...but at a grave cost. The Nameless One had lost his memories. Not only did he not remember the crime he committed, but he did not know he was immortal, and to that end: why he was immortal. He had no idea what his name was.

It was then that he experienced life in a multititude of ways. Bandit acts, great acts of magical prowess that could terrify the hearts of man, brutal acts with a sword that would place fear in the hearts of even the most accomplished fighters, more women than any normal man could ever pray to handle...he had done it all, but thankfully for him, he had died so many times in between it all, he never really remembered it all. But through these acts he was a leader of virtue, to the darkest villain.

Whenever The Nameless One dies, another life dies in his place. This soul is sent to the Fortress of Regrets, a terrible terrible place that exists on the Negative Material Plane. The Planar energies feed these souls,and eventually some of them escape the Fortress, hunting The Nameless One.

Having awoken in a Mortuary, again losing his memories from dying, The Nameless One encounters a flying skull, Morte Rictusgrin. Morte is the person who eventually teaches The Nameless One not only how to speak to the dead, but tells The Nameless One (who he calls Chief) that there is writing on his back, which he eventually reads to the man. Morte seems to know more than he is letting on, and indeed, even though he reveals tons about your past incarnations, it is revealed that he is the one who lied to TNO's "Good" Incarnation, and told him Ravel could make him immortal, when she can only strip mortality. Morte is thus the sole reason why TNO is the way he is...something TNO does not forgive Morte easily for.

The next party member TNO encounters is Dak'kon. A gith zerth (warrior), Dak'kon is the last known wielder of the Karach blade, a sword that changes with the emotions of its user. Dak'kon teaches TNO much about the Gith's history and such. Later on as you delve deeper into the Gith history, you find out that during one of TNO's bad incarnations, he met Dak'kon, and tricked Dak'kon into swearing an oath to follow him until one of them died...an act that benefited TNO greatly, since he was immortal, a fact he never bothered to tell Dak'kon.

Annah is related to Pharod, a rather smart person who helps TNO on his journey. She has a flirtationship with TNO, but nothing ever comes of it (you can't ever become sexually involved with her, or anything.)

The next character you meet is Ignus, a wizard who is a man who is on fire. Think the human torch, except pyromaniac and semi-insane, and you're close. Ignus once attempted to burn down the Hive (the area you come into, basically), and was only stopped by a group of many magic users. Furious at his mad killing spree, they converted him into a living conduit to the Elemental Plane of Fire as an ironic punishment; unfortunately, he didn't die. Stuck in a semi-coma and reveling in the flames, he was eventually made into a mascot for the Smoldering Corpse Bar (where you find him). He obeys only The Nameless One, requests from any other party member are responded to with violent threats. It is later revealed that The Nameless One was the master of Ignus in a previous incarnation and indirectly caused Ignus to become this monstrosity, though some argue it was a bad incarnation of TNO, and that he did it on purpose.

Fall From Grace is a cool character that TNO encounters, but had most of her stuff cut.

She is pretty paradoxical. She's a cleric but worships no God. She is formed from pure chaos and evil, but is lawful neutral with a good bent. She runs the Brothel for Slating Intellectual Lusts. Perhaps the oddest of all, she is a beautiful succubus, but is celibate. While many in-game characters are quick to indicate her heritage and proclaim that she must have some sort of demonic and evil scheme, no such plot on her part is ever shown.

Vhailor is a pretty important relation character to TNO, because he is a Mercykiller who seeks Justice. His desire to cause Justice to happen has let his soul live on even after death. A terrible incarnation of TNO that he was seeking out to kill, imprisoned him, where he most likely died.

Deionarra is probably the most important character in the game next to TNO, and doesn't even join your party! She is hopelessly in love with you, in fact, she is dead. One of the worst incarnations of TNO, tricked her, telling her he loved her, when he really didn't, had her killed, and then told her to wait for him. And she has waited, even though he is immortal, for him to die. And waited...and waited. She guides you along at the start of your quest, fortelling what is to come, leading you on to die, so that the two of you may at least be together. Even your current incarnation seems to pull her strings to get what he wants.

But I am just telling the connects, there is too many incarnations to go into...many of them are never touched on (there are thousands afterall.). Ultimately, the bad guy is you...as you enter the Fortress of Regrets, and discover your morality. Your enemy. The thing you've seeked out. It has done nothing wrong, except ruined your life. You need it. You must be normal. You are tired of this endless circle, and must break it. You must end this...torment.

It is at this point that TNO is given two options: kill himself with a Runic blade meant to kill immortals in the Negative Energy Plane, something that your morality doesn't want, because he dies too...or you do the obvious and either persuade him to join with you, or kill him...gaining him back anyways. Both options lead you to the same fate: you join the Blood War. You suffer an eternity in the hells. After all, after living an eternity, with his morality back, he must suffer his fate. And that is The Nameless One's ultimate flaw: his fate. There is no rape the dog moments for TNO, or for the villain, because he does not need these moments. His entire life has been his punishment. He originally seeked out Ravel to prevent himself from fighting in the Blood War, and yet from his loss of memories, he had no clue. He was ultimately given two choices: stay immortal and live a bad life (lives), or become mortal and spend an eternity in the hells. Unknowingly, he sealed himself into a fate he originally tried to prevent. And unknowingly, he has made Deionarra wait an eternity, leaving her alone.

Why do I think TNO is the best RPG character? Because he is ultimately more believable than any other character listed in this thread. He may be immortal, look pretty ugly, but he is human. He gives himself the ultimate curse out of desperation, simply to avoid an eternity of torture, almost like how religious folks do stuff to avoid going to Hell. TNO ultimately gives up his humanity, but becomes shades of humanity. Each of his incarnations that are looked into, are shades of what humanity is about. Greed, lust, good, evil...he has been all these things, but never all of them at once. And that is his quest in the game. Not to save the world - he doesn't give a damn. Not to kill some ultimate villain who burned down 500 villages to look cool. But to become human, to be all those things at once, and yet the very instant he becomes human, he becomes damned to suffer for eternity, as we all are damned to suffer in the ground...

Yoshikuni Mahsu · Jul 22, 2008, 04:00 AM // 04:00

Mass Effect is like playing a movie.

Liara > Ashley

Nevin · Jul 22, 2008, 04:40 AM // 04:40

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Originally Posted by Yoshikuni Mahsu

Mass Effect is like playing a movie. Liara > Ashley

Up top! Blue skin ftw.

*High fives*

Grumpy · Jul 22, 2008, 04:48 AM // 04:48

I still need to finish Mass Effect.

some guy · Jul 22, 2008, 05:53 AM // 05:53

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Originally Posted by Yoshikuni Mahsu

Liara > Ashley

Ashley for the win, Liara is too wimpy. I prefer some one like Ashley.

Etta · Jul 22, 2008, 08:10 AM // 08:10

The Vault Dweller from fallout 1.

"Maybeee...you will think of me...when you are all alone....."

some guy · Jul 22, 2008, 08:38 AM // 08:38

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Originally Posted by Etta

The Vault Dweller from fallout 1.

"Maybeee...you will think of me...when you are all alone....."

IIIII DON'T WANT TO SET THE WORLD ON FIIIRE!!!!!!

Elder III · Jul 22, 2008, 08:44 AM // 08:44

Umbra from Morrowind

try beating him at a low level with normal gear and no cheats...
(not the toughest ever, but the one that sticks in my mind the best)

Etta · Jul 22, 2008, 08:49 AM // 08:49

Oh! Yagus from Dragon Quest 8. He is really funny, Ray Winston would be proud of this cockney warrior.

'lright Guv.

Also most of the main characters from Anachronox. Man, that was one great game, the writer was a comedy genius.

-Loki- · Jul 22, 2008, 09:36 AM // 09:36

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Originally Posted by some guy

HK-47 wins over Revan.

DreamRunner · Jul 22, 2008, 11:55 AM // 11:55

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

Final Fantasy isn't a role-playing game, it's an interactive story.

The reason why I can't think of my favorite Role-playing game character - in a true RPG, the character you create is the main character. Thus, your favorite character would naturally be the one you made.

Why isn't it a Role-playing game? It would be nice to know the reason behind why such a popular series isn't an RPG, when its marketed as one. It's especially nice to know since you haven't given any reason yet. I am curious to know.

Etta · Jul 22, 2008, 12:51 PM // 12:51

Well technically speaking, you do take the role of someone else in every games. Therefore on that account, ladies and gents, I give you....
Maximilian Payne. One cop, a full clip and a whole lotta pain killer.

"Pain to da max!"

DarkNecrid · Jul 22, 2008, 12:58 PM // 12:58

Max Payne is not an RPG.

This is dumb, genres are almost never defined by the exact name of the genre. Example: MMORPG. Everyone keeps saying Guild Wars is an MMORPG but they fail to realize the subset characteristics required of an MMORPG, one of which is the requirement of a persistent world.

eRPGs (Electric Role Playing Games) are defined as "gameplay centers around one or more avatars, with quantized characteristics that evolve over the course of the game, and take the place of the gamer's own skill in determining game outcomes."

Max Payne isn't an RPG because you have to actually aim his guns and shit. Anything that requires "gamer's own skill" says they have "RPG elements" (like Bioshock) generally.

Final Fantasy is a RPG, and anyone who says otherwise is pretty wrong! It is an Electric Role Playing Game, in the subset Console Role Playing Game. End.